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Hi all! I’ve been using Traktor Pro 2 for a fair while now and before the Z1 came out I needed a 4 channel midi mixer to use along with my X1. This works so well, but having to use a power supply for it and a separate audio interface (which is fine in the studio but for gigs = extra gadgets to carry).
SO now, I’m going to get a Z1 as I can lose the ext audio interface and power supply for less fuss in the DJ booth.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS: I’ve read that the Z1 is midi APART from the faders. Now, with my old midi mixer, I was able to record mixes internally as the faders were mapped and I could record in Traktor internally. With the Z1, does anyone know if the faders actually map so that when recording a mix, fades are actually recorded. I don’t want to have to output to another audio interface to be able to record. If I understand what I have read, I can imagine that when recording internally, the faders (not being midi) would not actually move the faders in Traktor and therefore, would mean that recording a mix internally isn’t possible. UNLESS you use only the gains on the Z1?
Help please!
Thanks
No it is a hardware mixer with some added midi controls on top.
Apr 02, 2015 Home › Forums › DJing Software › Traktor Pro – Recording Mixes Internally using Kontrol Z1 – Fader Control? This topic contains 1 reply, has 2 voices, and was last updated by Terry42 4 years, 10 months ago. Viewing 2 posts - 1 through 2 (of 2 total) Author Posts April 1, 2015 at 12:16 Continued. Mar 15, 2014 Simpler than ever to use, TRAKTOR PRO 2 also sees the arrival of the new Sample Decks and Loop Recorder features for ultimate mix creativity. Features: – Integrates the updated TRAKTOR AUDIO 2 soundcard – Fixes Loop Recorder issues when recording from an external source (EXT). Recording Mixes with an External Mixer. The mix recorder that is integrated into Traktor makes it easy to record your own sets. When using a combo device that uses internal mixing mode (like Kontrol S2, Kontrol S4 and similiar controllers) almost no configuration is needed.
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When I’ve taught friends to DJ, one of the things I try to get across early is the importance of matching the levels of the two tracks being mixed. A sudden big drop in the volume is a surefire way to lose energy on the dance floor – or even clear it if you’re really unlucky! The way Traktor handles metering and the labels on its volume controls can lure you into making a real mess of your levels.
When I first realised this on switching from CDJs and an analogue mixer to using Traktor and a sound card, it prompted me to take a deeper look into the best way to get the level right. Today I’m going to explain why turning the master volume down in Traktor is essential if you mix “in the box”, ie in internal mode – which if you use a DJ controller, is exactly what you do.
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The problem:
You may have already run into this problem. You’ve just dropped a dancefloor-filling track, but when you try to smoothly bring in the next tune, it’s too quiet. Faders and the main volume control are already all the way up, and there’s nowhere left to go. If you’ve got the master limiter disabled, turning the channel’s gain further just results in nasty distortion. If you do have Traktor’s master limiter switched on, you can crank the volume further, but at the expense of sound quality again.
The limiter is basically a compressor, which quietens down the loudest parts of the track, “filling out” the sound to give the impression of more volume. (You know you are hitting the limiter when the red lights on Traktor’s output meters come on.)
As most dance tracks released these days are already heavily compressed, adding further compression is not a good idea if you want your set to sound good (see the Loudness Wars video for more info on the effects of over-compression).
The solution:
I’ll explain the whys and wherefores in a moment, but here’s the simple solution to the problem:
- Turn Traktor’s master output control down – somewhere around -10dB works well (assuming you have a decent sound card)
- Turn the gain on the amp or analogue mixer you’re plugged in to up to compensate if necessary – this will give you plenty of headroom, so when you drop that track that hasn’t been mastered quite so loud, you can crank up the channel gains in Traktor without worrying about distortion
Tip: If you can, sound check before your set with a track that you know is quiet – make sure it sounds loud enough and that you aren’t clipping (driving into the red) the in-house equipment that you are hooked up to.
Why it works…
The key to understanding what’s going on here is to understand what the “0dB” setting means in Traktor. dB (short for “decibel”) is a relative measure of volume – it tells you the difference between two levels.
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Many analogue mixers have “0dB” marked on the VU meter – this usually corresponds to 0dBV, which means it is measuring the difference between the current level and an output voltage of 1 volt. You can push the level above this and still get a nice clean output from most mixers – on the best ones, up to +20dB on the mixer’s output meter.
But in Traktor, 0dB means “maximum output”. If you are using a good DJ sound card (or controller with a decent one built-in), this could mean you are putting out up to a walloping +20dBV. Leaving the master gain set to 0dB in Traktor is like turning every control on your mixer right up to maximum at the start of your set. Not a good idea. So why would Native Instruments choose to mark the gain control like this? Well, it’s actually fairly common for digital equipment to designate 0dB as the maximum output. If you had auto gain turned off and were using Traktor in external mixer mode, sending each tune out to your sound card at maximum volume wouldn’t be such a bad thing, as most DJ mixers can handle a pretty hot signal coming in.
Why use -10dB?
Earlier I suggested -10dB as a good setting for your master. There are a couple of reasons why.
The first is simply experience; I’ve found this gives enough headroom to level match tracks without slamming into the limiter. If you play lots of older tracks you might find you need to use an even lower setting.
The second reason is related to the actual output voltage you are sending to the next thing in the audio chain. If you’ve every played on a big system with a sound engineer, you’ve probably been asked to “keep it out of the red” – ie to stick to a maximum of 0dB on the mixer. A clean 0dBV signal allows the guy running the system to crank it up to full volume without worrying about it being destroyed.
I use a Motu UltraLite sound card which has a maximum output around 17dBV, so in theory I should set my master output in Traktor to -17dB or lower in order to give a real output of 0dBV. If I was hooking my sound card up directly to a pro amplifier or a big sound system, that’s what I would do. In most cases though, digital DJs hook up their kit to one of the mixer inputs. DJ mixers are usually optimised these days for the relatively hot output level from a Pioneer CDJ (around 6dBV). Bringing the master level up in Traktor to -10dB with my set up gives a similar level on my mixer as I get with a CDJ.
Remember…
The key thing to take away here is that 0dB in Traktor really means maximum output. Using a master setting of -10dB (or even much lower) will give you a fighting chance of keeping the levels kicking on the dancefloor without distorting.
• This was a guest post by Colin Brown, who is a DJ with over 10 years’ experience, and who is also system tech for the Babble Collective Soundsystem.
Do you have level problems when using Traktor to DJ out and about with? Have you battled with a sound engineer about how the settings should be? Let us know in the comments.